Setting the Stage
In the upcoming patch 10.2, Rogue has finally received their talent tree rework which is largely focused on using what they have learned during Dragonflight to make a talent tree enjoyable to play with. One of the largest pain points for the Rogue community during Dragonflight has been the overall lack of options when it comes to utility talents. The previous structure of the tree where a majority of the damage talents are stuck at the bottom means that many of the iconic rogue utility spells earned over expansions are just not obtainable while also doing maximum damage. Talents such as
Verbessertes Sprinten,
, and even
Greifhaken are in awkward spots due to constantly competing with premium damage talents. It always felt as though you picked damage first, and just ended up with what utility happened to be within it's path which never felt great.
Other more Outlaw Rogue-specific issues are overall smaller scale. Due to the change to
Zwischen die Augen back in Shadowlands and with
Schwäche finden being in the class tree, the spec that used to be the best at swapping targets easily slowly became the worst and most cumbersome.
Thankfully the rework has fixed most of the issues above and then some. Target swapping has become easy again, many bland DPS talents have been removed to help make pathing on the tree much less constrictive, better utility options have been given to us, and even some brand new talents have been made which have large implications on how we end up playing.
The Class Tree
First I want to focus on the changes to the class tree. One of the great changes has not only been the increased pathing, but the new and much stronger utility talents. Not only is
Verbessertes Sprinten easy to grab now, but the new talent
Leichtfuß is also incredible. With both talents
Sprinten turns into a 1-minute cooldown, 100% movement speed increase, that lasts for 12 seconds. Throw in
Ruhlose Klingen in there as well and you can almost keep this up with 100% uptime.
Rogue also should be much better against DoT effects since once again, the better pathing allows us to grab
Geschickte Finger and
Eiserner Magen.
Anmutige Arglist is the other new defensive talent added now while it might sound insane due to how strong a defensive tool
Finte can be, although due to it's already short cooldown you tend to always have it up whenever you need it. One interesting implication with this talent though is if we ever end up having an extreme rot fight again similar to
Anduin Wrynn,
Schweben wie ein Schmetterling can be taken in tandem with
Flüchtigkeit to cover one of Rogues historical largest weaknesses defensively.
The last three talents I would say are much more focused on giving Rogue an expanded toolkit into M+.
Verbesserte Mixtur is a bit of a sleeper talent, when you combine all the ways to scale your poison effect by grabbing
Meister der Gifte,
Verkrüppelndes Gift becomes a whopping 72% slow making this the highest slow in the game that can be consistently applied. The opportunity cost exists as you have to decide if this slow is stronger than the effective damage reduction that
Lähmendes Gift or
Atrophisches Gift provides.
Geworfenes Reizmittel is a new talent that finally gives Rogues an AoE stop to help with packs in M+. Pairing this with
Blendungspulver lowers the cooldown down to 48 seconds, add in
Totschläger, and suddenly you have a pretty spammable, highly effective stop. Something to note though is that the added range of
Blendungspulver only applies to the initial cast and not the ones replicated from
Geworfenes Reizmittel. The last part of the improved M+ toolkit is
Stiller Schleier. A pretty simple talent overall that might sound stronger than it ends up being on paper. Blizzard has over the years proceeded to make
Verhüllender Nebel worse in dungeons by giving all the worst packs true sight and at the end of the day you still need count to complete the dungeon. Even for people who just pug dungeons, this should help make sure you have shroud back up after you wipe on the 2nd pack after a shroud skip.
When it comes to issues I don't have many. I'd say overall, there are a few talents that feel a bit awkward in their positioning still. A fairly contentious one is still the positioning of
. With the stated goal of making utility in less competition with DPS talents, many people take issue with it's placement still forcing you to miss out on damage to grab this unless you are pathing towards
Widerhallender Tadel. I would argue that
is an insanely strong talent that I will always grab because the value it provides is something you cannot put a DPS number on, but can easily equate to more damage than an actual DPS talent.
Solarplexus was already a fairly niche spell for Rogues to take for dungeons even before the rework. Now that talent competes with
Geworfenes Reizmittel and the synergy talents that go with it. On the topic of
Blenden,
Totschläger is an incredibly strong talent with the synergy package of
Geworfenes Reizmittel and
Blendungspulver but it has one super large issue; it's a choice node with
Schurkenhandel which I'd argue is an essential talent when it comes to M+. This could be intentional as this
Blenden package of talents is incredibly strong and
Totschläger might push it over the edge. Lastly, talents such as
Forsche Schritte and
Eilige Vorbereitung already felt pretty underwhelming with increased competition amongst choices and synergy packages it's hard to see these getting played even in niche scenarios.
Below is an image of how I imagine a majority of the trees will look when built for raiding. Many of the damage talents you are used to from before are still going to be essential for damage.
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The Spec Tree
When the Rogue rework was announced, I wasn't expecting large changes to the Outlaw tree specifically because it felt very feature-complete to me. However, they managed to do what they did to all the other spec trees, which greatly improved the ability to move around the tree which is huge for both utility and damage-related pathing.
Greifhaken has been made baseline as with the currently existing build, it competes with a DPS talent which means we forgo that talent and rely solely on
Schattenschritt for mobility which didn't feel great.
Geisterhafter Stoß has been reworked in a few different ways. Firstly it's been given a much larger cooldown. From 45 seconds to 1.5 minutes. It was also taken off of the GCD which makes it much less intrusive to the rotation overall. This new cooldown pairs well with another reworked talent in
Mordlust which has been changed from a normal ability to a finisher with a 1.5 minute cooldown rather than the original 2 minutes. Both of these talents benefit from
Ruhlose Klingen which means you can potentially sync these together for large damage windows. One of the largest issues plaguing
Mordlust has always been the animation lock which can lead to your untimely demise but this has been fixed in two different ways. One, Haste now scales the duration of the channel, and Two, all damage taken during the channel is converted into a damage over time effect for 8 seconds. This debuff can be nullified with
Mantel der Schatten which is great. The last reworked talent is much smaller overall.
Pfeilschneller Schlitzer used to provide attack speed per combo point spent on
Zerhäckseln but between this talent and the fact
Mordlust now scales with Haste could mean that Haste is a much more appealing stat overall for the spec.
Lastly, to talk about the new talents, there aren't a lot of brand new talents but the ones that are added are quite strong and worth building around.
Hinterlistige Oberhand is a brand-new passive skill that reads quite strongly. The strongest part of it is that Stealth now causes
Adrenalinrausch to extend its duration. This works with both
Verschwinden and stacks with
Trickbetrug which gives you 6-second
Verschwinden windows which gives you around 70-90% uptime of
Adrenalinrausch over an encounter. The other big talent here is
Kunstschuss, a fairly simple talent all things considered but is incredibly powerful. Thanks to
Ass im Ärmel and
Verbessertes Zwischen die Augen Zwischen die Augen becomes a very potent spell, and being able to chain cast it within your Stealth windows is a massive damage increase. It's not uncommon during a
Schattentanz window you will cast
Zwischen die Augen 6 times in a row.
Below is the concept for a build focused on
Unerkannte Gelegenheit and leveraging stealth windows to take advantage of all of the stealth-related talent synergies the spec has now.
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Closing Thoughts
When it comes to what I was expecting from a Rogue rework, I was honestly expecting some small-scale changes. Maybe opening up a few talent pathways, and removing some small-scale issues people have with the class, but this rework is much larger than that. Pretty much every issue I had with the spec in previous patches, even some of the more nit-picky stuff has been resolved. There are more and much more interesting utility talents that are worth considering, there are strong talents that have powerful synergies worth building around and altering your rotation to abuse, all the while keeping the Rogue fantasy at a high.
To highlight the remaining issues I have, I would say that
Geisterhafter Stoß still feels a bit awkward off of the GCD making it an extremely expensive talent energy-wise now. Recently
Handgemenge was changed to no longer make it so you cast
Klingenwirbel on single target, but due to
Hinterlistige Oberhand you are likely going to continue to do so at least 1-4 times over a 5 minute encounter. Talents such as
Sepsis,
Solarplexus, and
Totschläger exist on very hard-to-justify choice nodes overall which might limit their ability to see play. Lastly, some talents feel a bit weak numerically.
Fingerfertigkeit is already a hard to justify talent, which gets even worse with increased
Adrenalinrausch uptime due to
Gezinkte Würfel being even easier to proc. I'm also unsure if the changes to
Mordlust and
Pfeilschneller Schlitzer at current numbers make haste a strong enough stat to justify stacking it. My final issue is in regards to
. While personally I think it's an interesting choice in which you sacrifice a small amount of sheet DPS for one of the best quality of life talents in the game, I don't think it's fair that Feral, or Ret Paladin has similar talents in
Astraler Einfluss and
Begnadigung des Kreuzfahrers don't have this similar level of opportunity cost.
I would say my praise of the talent tree overall outweighs my remaining nitpicky issues, a lot of which are just related to tuning. From a feels standpoint, the spec feels the best it's been since launch before they nerfed
Aus der Hüfte. If there has ever been a time to join the hype train and play Rogue, now would be the time with all 3 specs looking fantastic with a fresh coat of paint.
